How Can You Tell if Your Beans are too Fresh ?

This is like a follow up to my blog post of 7 March 2008 called “how can you tell if your beans are fresh“. In summary to that previous post, I gave some pointers on what coffee looks like when it is fresh and extracted. Now, it probably seems like a contradiction when I say”how can you tell if your coffee is too fresh ?” Very Fresh  Again, the short answer is that you cannot just tell by looking at it – see above.  You will have to wait until you get home and try and pull an espresso or use another brewing method. In any case, I recently fell victim to this scenario and really the warning bells should have been ringing when I asked the roaster at Alt Wien when the beans were roasted – his answer “a few hours ago” OK! I thought, I should really be happy about this but I recently read that very fresh beans need to “de-gas” before they are ready for drinking. In short, when you roast green beans you are changing the chemical and physical attributes of the coffee bean but the coffee bean needs time to adjust to its changed attribute after being exposed to very high temperatures. What happens is that gases that have attached themselves to the bean need to “come off” so that the bean can return to some sort of natural state – have I lost you ? Perhaps, because I think I have lost myself too. Really, I’m just trying to summarize the chemical stuff that happens to coffee beans after they have been roasted in as simple a way that I can. There’s also some problems with dark roasted coffee beans, where the oil on the bean can be “too oily” leaving oil sediments on your machine.  In short, the coffee beans basically need to “de-gas” or let off some steam literally. I hinted at this to the Alt Wien Roaster and he replied “it’s OK in a domestic machine but for a commercial machine, the beans need to de-gas for at least one week” so I’m thinking, a domestic machine -Yes ! I have one of those, but my machine has some commercial parts (E61 Group head and lots of real brass, etc). I trust him and I pay the price. Sure, the beans smelt really fresh but my first problem was in trying to get the right grind for pulling a shot of espresso in 23-25 seconds.  Then I was wondering as the coffee was coming out, why it was bubbly and making lots of hissing noise. So, the first sign is that the espresso shot will have many bubbles – some sort of chemical reaction (see below). Too Fresh Espresso   I also noticed that once extracted, the coffee was lightish in colour despite the right time for extraction;  Too Fresh  The final straw was of course the taste test – the coffee was sour around the middle part of your tongue. Now, as you know, really fresh coffee that has been taken care of should not taste bitter or sour, so that got nme thinking – what’s wrong ? I tried stuff like leaving the beans out all night in a big metallic bowl so that they could let off steam, but that didn’t work. I tried another brewing method, French Press, but still the taste was sour. Then I thought, based on stuff that I had read, to leave the beans in their bag for about a week. I was bordering on being mad, because to compensate for my ever increasing coffee appetite, I decided to buy a 500g bag for the first time. In trying to apply my general culinary skills to the situation, I thought, if the bean could talk, perhaps it would say “hey ! I’ve just been exposed to 450 F, let me cool down a bit before you get the best out of me”. It’s almost like trying to toast freshly baked bread – it’s going to burn a lot quicker. In any case, not being a chemist, I thought there’s some sort of proper chemical explanation for this. Anyway, I’m glad to report that after leaving the beans for a week in their original bag, well sealed, with no exposure to air, there was a big difference. Firstly, although the coffee may not have smelt as nice as earlier, it was now easier to find the right grind setting for a 23-25 second pull for an espresso and the colour was back to dark reddish crema – see below;    Fresh Espresso  Also, good for latte art and impressing your friends (OK ! I’m joking about the last).    Fresh Latte  So next time your coffee roaster tells you the coffee is really fresh, ask them how fresh. A few days can be good, say 3 days, but I have learnt that the mistake made by the roaster was putting the fresh beans into a sealed vacuum bag immediately after roasting as opposed to letting them de-gas by their own. If it is freshly roasted, it should be left alone and not bagged up.  I can even say now, as I am drinking this coffee (Organic Bolivian)that after about 10 days the coffee is even better, especially for espresso – the sweetish taste is back. Ciao


6 Replies to “How Can You Tell if Your Beans are too Fresh ?”

  1. Hey there! Being a roaster, I’ve played around with my share of roasts and espresso shots. I can say that I’ve found about 24-36 hours of resting for the beans is where you find the sweet spot. Provided you store the coffee properly, that sweet spot should remain for about 3 to 5 days after the initial rest.


  2. Thanks Roaster Dave for the tip. As I am not a roaster like you, I value your contribution and will use that as a guideline next time before I buy fresh coffee. Also, when you say store it, in what way is best ? Usually I store it in its original bag without any air. I was informed by another roaster that different beans need different resting times – what sort of beans do you use (single origin, Ethiopia Harrar, Sumatra, etc) ?

  3. WOW!! Only 10 months late, but what the heck!

    By storing properly, I recommend a container that is completely air and light tight. Both elements will degrade the coffee, and that is a sin.

    Your friend is right in saying that different coffees will need to rest for different periods. Thats one of the neat things about it all really…..especially when you get to roast all different types and you get to play around alot!!

  4. Hi, Lameen,

    Usually coffee roasters would let them sit for 1 day before packing them,
    when I was in Taiwan, I went to a coffee lab,

    they offered me and espresso that score “96 points” in coffee review,
    it was a blended coffee beans, MAN I tell you I could not believe what I was drinking, It tasted SOOOOOO AWESOME,

    well she told me the trick was to let it sit for 1 day in a large steel basket,
    and that her espresso extraction has to be Above 12 seconds and below 20 seconds,

    hope that tingles your curiosity,
    AWESOME post btw, rarely do people find this “TOO FRESH” beans a negative to their extraction.


    1. Hi Coffee Chapters (you didn’t leave a name),

      Thanks for visting and commenting on my site. I really appreciated that very intriguing comment about the very short extraction process for freshly roasted coffee in Taiwan. I’ll give it a try one of these days, but would help, would be more info on the roast profile and the brewing temperature.


      1. Hi Lameen,

        They did not let me know the exact temperature and roast, but i know that the roast is “Light-Medium” roast, and they have this glass wall for writing formula’s to roast the coffee, the coffee is known as “Star Of Italy” it would cost you around $USD10 for one cup in Taiwan, Furthermore the coffee is suitable for “Japanese Hand Drip” and “Ice Drip Coffee” brewing method,~ An awesome coffee if you ask me, but only the master know the true secret to their blend…. that’s all i know for now~

        hope this helps.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: Logo

You are commenting using your account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.

%d bloggers like this: